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How much security did $1 trillion buy?
Posted by robertgreenwald on August 19th, 2009

The war in Afghanistan is increasing the likelihood that American civilians will be killed in a future terrorist attack. Part six of Rethink Afghanistan brings you three former high-ranking CIA agents on the record to explain why. There is no “victory” to be won in Afghanistan.

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  2. BillWilliam says:

    The Film part 6

    After you have watched this 6 part series, please look at the information provided about the speakers in the film. I have and some are Al Qaeda and Taliban. In the first and other parts you have seen and heard Mohammed Osman Tariq, the pleasant older gentleman with the gray beard. He fought under Osama bin Laden in the Russian war. Do you understand he is Al Qaeda? Do you think these enemy members have a vested interest in us leaving? As you watch the horror of this film it shows what war looks like. From the time man started killing each other in mass quantities it has looked like this. In the news much is made of the difference between the Taliban and the Al Qaeda. The difference? The Taliban are a local sect following the teachings of the (muwaḥḥidūn, “Unitarians” from the Encyclopedia Britannica online) of Saudi Arabia. The derogatory term Wahhabi is sometimes used in the West. We should not use that term. The goals of the Taliban are strictly local as far as we know. But they support and sometimes follow orders of Al Qaeda. Why do we fight with the Taliban? Well when they shoot, bomb, murder, our troops and the other people in the area with out regard to who they are even bombing civilians in public places with no special American target. Well we shoot back.
    Some of you think Al Qaeda did not crash the planes into the buildings on 9/11/2002? I am an engineer. As I watched the buildings burn on TV just after it was hit before it fell I knew the building hit second would fall. How? The entire floor was fully involved in fire. I knew how the fire proof insulation was applied to the steel and that it would have been knocked off much of the steel from the crash. With that kind of fire it takes about one to two hours to soften the steel from the heat of flames. Then the floor collapses. As the top of the building starts to move the force of that moving mass crushes the next floor and so on until it all reaches the ground. The fire on the first building was not as intense I was not as sure. Almost sure. But it fell. Later Osama bin Laden issued a statement that he planned and ordered the attack. I have no faith in the mad men running our country at the time. I think Bush, Cheney, and Rove all suffer from what used to be called sociopath. In general it means being Unable to feel remorse or guilt . The list is long. This term has now been grouped into a more general more unstable category and is not listed as a psychiatric disorder. They did this in 2002. Did the administration have something to do with this? I worked for Halliburton under Cheney and that was what everyone at work called him, a ******* sociopath. Sorry for the * but I can’t use the technical oilfield jargon as some people think it means a bad word. ;)
    Al Qaeda? The group producing this film think when we leave the middle East the Al Qaeda will no longer be popular and vanish. Look at their history. What do you think?

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  9. jonathangems says:

    BillBill – So you worked for Halliburton and everyone working there thought Dick Cheney was a sociopath?
    That's real interesting.
    Al Quaeda is Arabic for “The base” and (some say) a shortened term used by the CIA for 'The data base'. This was a database compiled by the CIA in the 1980's of mujahadeen soldiers who were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.
    One of their leaders was Osama Bin Laden, and he was selected (probably because of his family's business connections with the Bush family) to receive CIA funding.
    In 1989, AFTER – I repeat AFTER – the Soviets left Afghanistan, Osama was funded to build and direct military training camps to train terrorists. These terrorists (some of whom also received training in the US) were all on the CIA's 'database' – al quaeda. In other words, Al Quaeda was a CIA creation and possibly may still be a CIA asset today.
    As was widely reported in the mainstream media at the time (2001), Mullah Omar, the Taliban president of Afghanistan, under threat of a missile strike, offered to arrest Osama Bin Laden and try him in a clerical court. This was rejected by the Pentagon. Next, Mullah Omar offered to deliver Osama to US forces if they could provide evidence he was connected to 9/11. Despite propaganda to the contrary, the Taliban are not entirely unreasonable people.
    But the US refused to provide evidence.
    Even today, no evidence has been produced to connect Bin Laden to 9/11. The various videos of Bin Laden making speeches cannot be relied upon as evidence of anything. They are too easy to fake. None have been verified as genuine.

    The twin towers came down at free-fall speed into their own footprint (exactly like a controlled demolition) less than an hour after being impacted by the planes. Anyone looking at the footage can see the fires were not fierce ones – you can hardly see any flames. In fact many people in Tower 2 who were in their offices above the impact walked down the stairs to safety, past the 76th floor where the fire was burning. They said the fire wasn't very hot.
    No tower has ever collapsed as a result of fire.
    Independent investigators examining the dust and molten metal from the basement of the buildings, found the presence of a patented barium enhanced thermite (a military grade thermite known as 'thermate'). Thermite is the only explosive substance powerful enough to slice through steel girders.
    Many witnesses, including firemen and policemen (some of whom can be seen in various videoed reports) said they heard a rapid series of explosions before the towers came down.
    It seems almost certain 9/11 was an inside job. The evidence is overwhelming.
    The question remains: who on earth would do such a profoundly evil thing?
    Probably a sociopath.

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  24. elisabeth says:

    No country has come out of a war with Afghanistan well, what makes us different? Cariad.

  25. jonathangems says:

    Nothing at all.

  26. gerantoine says:

    I do not understand why Arianna Huffington is making such a fool of herself by asking for VP Joe Biden's resignation as he wants to redefine our target by narrowing it to Al Qaeda. It is clear that Taliban pursue a transnational interest in building a Pashtun Country. We have been helping the Kurds in Iraq, the Bosnians in Bosnia, why not the Pashtuns in Pashtunistan? In any case, we should not place ourselves in the middle of an Afghan civil war, allied with the most corrupt side. The video – and the speakers –should have addressed the issue of Pashtunistan also instead of turning around the pot.

  27. clyde washburne says:

    George Tenet was a magician who got cheifs and tribes putting downthe Taliban..Whereas the erstwhile and stropng Russian armies up to 700,000 of them got bitch slapped by the Afghans..Our politicians suddenly have lost their way..no sentiment toward soldier casualty..no more Liberal whinning a bout personnel loss ..weve become suddenly calous about body bags and maimed and exhausted young soldiers..we have lost our leadership…Nato allies vat delusions ;talk yes but no true involvement…OUT OUT OUT 3 times get OUT

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  32. James McCormick says:

    i quite agree–only one “expression”==as the speaker provides–is
    valid about Afghanistan: namely, BS. It is pure BS to claim our national
    security is at stake, and that more troops in this mountainous desolation
    make us safe. Bravo for critics–we've heard the General and the generals
    all too often before on the same subject: more troops and we will win==
    sorry–that is worn out, and too tragic for what it implies: deaths, civilian
    horror and billions blown. J. MC

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  36. frankawalter says:

    Every day America continues the absurdity of the bush's Afghanistan adventure (armed aggression against a totally impotent tribal state with no central government) convinces me of the relevance of Friedrich Durrenmatt's “The Tunnel” as a metaphor for our foreign policy in the Middle East.

    Frank Walter

  37. SameerK says:

    I am from Pakistan.

    and this war in AFghanistan from US and NATO is causing a lot of havoc in our country because it has created a hostile neighborhood for us.

    These Talibans feel that Pakistan is responsible for allying with US and NATO and taking part in spilling their pusthoon blood. I hate to say it, but we have been dragged into this conflict and the sooner US and NATO can leave AFghanistan, the better things will be.

    Pakistan is becoming the epicenter of terrorism as Pakistani Taliban want to crush the Pakistani govt because Pak govt are allies with US and responsible for occupation of their pushtoon land.

    theres just too much going on. Afghan isnt worth it.

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  45. ron2394 says:

    The west wants Afghanistan for one reason. To deny it to the Russians who wanted to lay oil and gas pipelines through it. Imagine the competition with the middle east if that came about. And who is sitting on one of the biggest middle eastern oil suppliers…..the Americans….in Iraq

  46. ron2394 says:

    Clyde Washburn below says the Russians got bitch slapped in Afghanistan….no they didnt pal. You Americans gave surface to air weapons the the very same guys our troops are fighting now. Well done the USA. And then you just walked away…..as usual

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