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	<title>Comments on: Contemplation of Drone Strikes in Quetta Belies Obama&#8217;s Claim of Just War</title>
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		<title>By: ENDIF</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  &quot;chaos in Pakistan has not reached the point where India feels it necessary to intervene militarily&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not yet.  And this knife cuts both ways:  they both hate and distrust each other, both covet Kashmir, regularly trade fire over it.  Many of the now virulent extremist groups they&#039;re fighting now were nurtured by Pakistani intelligence in the first place.  The Mumbai attacks last year?   Lashkur E Toiba.  Pakistani intelligence groomed as guerillas against India.  War almost broke out, and could still.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2&quot;The population of Pakistan considerably exceeds that of Afghanistan. It strains my imagination that the larger would be conquered by the smaller unless backed by a larger player. &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Huh?  The notion that Afghanistan might try to conquer Pakistan had never crossed my mind, being an astronomically distant  possibility.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The extremists we are fighting in Afghanistan are largely the same people Pakistan is fighting in Waziristan, and they cross the border with impunity in order to escape retaliation by one or the other as needed.  You cannot squeeze a liquid in your fist, you must contain it to control it.  NATO on one side, Pakistan on the other.  Remove either and they can continue indefinitely. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. &quot;the US must attend seriously to its domestic economic issues if it is to sustain a potent military and its support of friends in the long run, or it will start to look like the Soviet Union of the 80s.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Total agreement.   But it must do both if we are not to follow their example, as it was failure to do either that ultimately killed the USSR. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4. &quot;With a small group on a shoestring budget, they&#039;ve panicked the US strategic community into what history will show to be an over-reaction and lack of finesse.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Total agreement.  Such is the nature of Asymmetrical Warfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  &#8220;chaos in Pakistan has not reached the point where India feels it necessary to intervene militarily&#8221;  </p>
<p>Not yet.  And this knife cuts both ways:  they both hate and distrust each other, both covet Kashmir, regularly trade fire over it.  Many of the now virulent extremist groups they&#39;re fighting now were nurtured by Pakistani intelligence in the first place.  The Mumbai attacks last year?   Lashkur E Toiba.  Pakistani intelligence groomed as guerillas against India.  War almost broke out, and could still.  </p>
<p>2&#8243;The population of Pakistan considerably exceeds that of Afghanistan. It strains my imagination that the larger would be conquered by the smaller unless backed by a larger player. &#8220;</p>
<p>Huh?  The notion that Afghanistan might try to conquer Pakistan had never crossed my mind, being an astronomically distant  possibility.  </p>
<p>The extremists we are fighting in Afghanistan are largely the same people Pakistan is fighting in Waziristan, and they cross the border with impunity in order to escape retaliation by one or the other as needed.  You cannot squeeze a liquid in your fist, you must contain it to control it.  NATO on one side, Pakistan on the other.  Remove either and they can continue indefinitely. </p>
<p>3. &#8220;the US must attend seriously to its domestic economic issues if it is to sustain a potent military and its support of friends in the long run, or it will start to look like the Soviet Union of the 80s.&#8221;</p>
<p>Total agreement.   But it must do both if we are not to follow their example, as it was failure to do either that ultimately killed the USSR. </p>
<p>4. &#8220;With a small group on a shoestring budget, they&#39;ve panicked the US strategic community into what history will show to be an over-reaction and lack of finesse.&#8221;</p>
<p>Total agreement.  Such is the nature of Asymmetrical Warfare.</p>
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		<title>By: ENDIF</title>
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		<dc:creator>ENDIF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  &quot;chaos in Pakistan has not reached the point where India feels it necessary to intervene militarily&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not yet.  And this knife cuts both ways:  they both hate and distrust each other, both covet Kashmir, regularly trade fire over it.  Many of the now virulent extremist groups they&#039;re fighting now were nurtured by Pakistani intelligence in the first place.  The Mumbai attacks last year?   Lashkur E Toiba.  Pakistani intelligence groomed as guerillas against India.  War almost broke out, and could still.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2&quot;The population of Pakistan considerably exceeds that of Afghanistan. It strains my imagination that the larger would be conquered by the smaller unless backed by a larger player. &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Huh?  The notion that Afghanistan might try to conquer Pakistan had never crossed my mind, being an astronomically distant  possibility.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The extremists we are fighting in Afghanistan are largely the same people Pakistan is fighting in Waziristan, and they cross the border with impunity in order to escape retaliation by one or the other as needed.  You cannot squeeze a liquid in your fist, you must contain it to control it.  NATO on one side, Pakistan on the other.  Remove either and they can continue indefinitely. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. &quot;the US must attend seriously to its domestic economic issues if it is to sustain a potent military and its support of friends in the long run, or it will start to look like the Soviet Union of the 80s.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Total agreement.   But it must do both if we are not to follow their example, as it was failure to do either that ultimately killed the USSR. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4. &quot;With a small group on a shoestring budget, they&#039;ve panicked the US strategic community into what history will show to be an over-reaction and lack of finesse.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Total agreement.  Such is the nature of Asymmetrical Warfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  &#8220;chaos in Pakistan has not reached the point where India feels it necessary to intervene militarily&#8221;  </p>
<p>Not yet.  And this knife cuts both ways:  they both hate and distrust each other, both covet Kashmir, regularly trade fire over it.  Many of the now virulent extremist groups they&#39;re fighting now were nurtured by Pakistani intelligence in the first place.  The Mumbai attacks last year?   Lashkur E Toiba.  Pakistani intelligence groomed as guerillas against India.  War almost broke out, and could still.  </p>
<p>2&#8243;The population of Pakistan considerably exceeds that of Afghanistan. It strains my imagination that the larger would be conquered by the smaller unless backed by a larger player. &#8220;</p>
<p>Huh?  The notion that Afghanistan might try to conquer Pakistan had never crossed my mind, being an astronomically distant  possibility.  </p>
<p>The extremists we are fighting in Afghanistan are largely the same people Pakistan is fighting in Waziristan, and they cross the border with impunity in order to escape retaliation by one or the other as needed.  You cannot squeeze a liquid in your fist, you must contain it to control it.  NATO on one side, Pakistan on the other.  Remove either and they can continue indefinitely. </p>
<p>3. &#8220;the US must attend seriously to its domestic economic issues if it is to sustain a potent military and its support of friends in the long run, or it will start to look like the Soviet Union of the 80s.&#8221;</p>
<p>Total agreement.   But it must do both if we are not to follow their example, as it was failure to do either that ultimately killed the USSR. </p>
<p>4. &#8220;With a small group on a shoestring budget, they&#39;ve panicked the US strategic community into what history will show to be an over-reaction and lack of finesse.&#8221;</p>
<p>Total agreement.  Such is the nature of Asymmetrical Warfare.</p>
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		<title>By: timtrewyn</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you rightly identify the issue of concern to the United States, that is, the security of Pakistan&#039;s nuclear weapons and its nuclear industry.  However, chaos in Pakistan has not reached the point where India feels it necessary to intervene militarily, and Pakistan&#039;s army is taking on its extremist foes, if not ours.  The population of Pakistan considerably exceeds that of Afghanistan.  It strains my imagination that the larger would be conquered by the smaller unless backed by a larger player.  What major power has sided with Al Qaeda?  And the Taliban just want their turf. They&#039;ve had an 8 year lesson in US ability to give them a hard time.  I have no objection to the US sharing whatever nuclear security measures it wishes to provide to Pakistan.  Pakistan&#039;s nuclear manufacturing facilities are a fixed target, a speciality of US guided munitions.  The industry doesn&#039;t have a chance of falling into the wrong hands.  The US presence in Afghanistan is more sophisticated than the media portray, but the simple fact remains, the US must attend seriously to its domestic economic issues if it is to sustain a potent military and its support of friends in the long run, or it will start to look like the Soviet Union of the 80s.   You really have to note the shrewdness of Al Qaeda.  With a small group on a shoestring budget, they&#039;ve panicked the US strategic community into what history will show to be an over-reaction and lack of finesse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you rightly identify the issue of concern to the United States, that is, the security of Pakistan&#39;s nuclear weapons and its nuclear industry.  However, chaos in Pakistan has not reached the point where India feels it necessary to intervene militarily, and Pakistan&#39;s army is taking on its extremist foes, if not ours.  The population of Pakistan considerably exceeds that of Afghanistan.  It strains my imagination that the larger would be conquered by the smaller unless backed by a larger player.  What major power has sided with Al Qaeda?  And the Taliban just want their turf. They&#39;ve had an 8 year lesson in US ability to give them a hard time.  I have no objection to the US sharing whatever nuclear security measures it wishes to provide to Pakistan.  Pakistan&#39;s nuclear manufacturing facilities are a fixed target, a speciality of US guided munitions.  The industry doesn&#39;t have a chance of falling into the wrong hands.  The US presence in Afghanistan is more sophisticated than the media portray, but the simple fact remains, the US must attend seriously to its domestic economic issues if it is to sustain a potent military and its support of friends in the long run, or it will start to look like the Soviet Union of the 80s.   You really have to note the shrewdness of Al Qaeda.  With a small group on a shoestring budget, they&#39;ve panicked the US strategic community into what history will show to be an over-reaction and lack of finesse.</p>
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		<title>By: ENDIF</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only we lived in such a fluffy and perfect world!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh to be﻿ able to pull out of Afghanistan without having it become a base for extremists to topple Pakistan! A world where Pakistan was stable, and not in posession of four dozen nuclear weapons and a functioning industry to produce more! A world where Afghanistan wouldn&#039;t just go right back to the Taliban and their buddies!  A world where the new owners wouldn&#039;t nuke their rival India!  Or Israel!  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;YAY!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If we lived in that world I could finally have that rainbow-shitting unicorn I&#039;ve always wanted! And a jetpack!  &lt;br&gt;And a pony!   &lt;br&gt;And a pony!  &lt;br&gt;YAY!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only we lived in such a fluffy and perfect world!</p>
<p>Oh to be﻿ able to pull out of Afghanistan without having it become a base for extremists to topple Pakistan! A world where Pakistan was stable, and not in posession of four dozen nuclear weapons and a functioning industry to produce more! A world where Afghanistan wouldn&#39;t just go right back to the Taliban and their buddies!  A world where the new owners wouldn&#39;t nuke their rival India!  Or Israel!  </p>
<p>YAY!</p>
<p>If we lived in that world I could finally have that rainbow-shitting unicorn I&#39;ve always wanted! And a jetpack!  <br />And a pony!   <br />And a pony!  <br />YAY!!</p>
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